Posts by Pete Zahut

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EXISTENTIAL topic: Why is Paradise or Heaven the solution to anything?

by TerryWalstrom in

gather around the campfire, boys and girls.. i have a little journey for us all to take together.. long, long ago in this universe not so far away .

.we were told a story.______________once in timeless nothingness, there existed a timeless being we now call god.whatever "perfection" is or was--god was.

god was perfect.. but wait--that's not all!and here is where the story begins!.

Pete Zahut

Why is man's idea of Paradise or Heaven a solution to anything?
If God could not / would not be content--why would we expect to become content?

I think the JW answer would be that one can only be content when they are free of sin and the worry of death and the world around them is free of suffering and chaos. They'd say that one can be content yet still be creative and ambitious at the same time.

My question always was in regard to "purpose". They always emphasized the importance of ones life having a "purpose" and that living forever was the only real way that could happen. It seems to me life has the same "purpose" whether it lasts 80 years or goes on and on forever.

The BIG questions that the Bible doesn't address is what was God's purpose in creating life? If he created humans to live forever, why did he do so and what was the purpose in creating animals that lived a limited time so that they'd suffer that effects of growing old and dying in full view of perfect humans who'd undoubtedly be distressed about seeing this ?

I think humans have interpreted our hard wired instinct to survive and not wanting to die, with wanting to live forever.

Instinctually we don't want to die but living forever might be the worst thing ever.

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Dress and grooming

by stuckinarut2 in

i know this is an old topic, but it came to mind again.... yes it is appropriate for people to dress neatly and respectfully for a dignified religious gathering, but why does it have to be a full suit with collared shirt and tie?.

why does it have to be a full dress or skirt and jacket?.

sure, we would find it distasteful for a person to arrive in swimwear or work overalls or other inappropriate attire, but why does it have to conform to strict standards?.

Pete Zahut

GrreatTeacher 2 hours ago

I wish someone could find and post a picture of the styleguide / picturebook of clothing that is appropriate vs. inappropriate when visiting Bethel, which is a FACTORY!

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Governing Body Geoffrey Jackson in a Skirt! Is this for real??????

by mrmagic in

saw a video with geoffrey jackson giving a talk on stage in a skirt.

is this for reall??.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m0d4itktmk.

Pete Zahut

Judging from the clunky sandals he's wearing, the woven mats and palm trees behind him and the non-english language he's speaking, I'd say he's in some island country, perhaps Samoa where men wear wraps or sarongs because of the heat and humidity.

Looks a bit odd with a suit jacket and tie and sort of defeats the cooling effect but rules are rules....wouldn't want to stumble anyone or detract from the message by not wearing a suit jacket and tie on stage.

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Convention Videos: Someone messed up royally

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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when i first saw the video, i was like, "wait... is that her... panties showing through the dress"?and it seems like it is so.turns out that if you look at the middle right of the video, there are some letters.

it reads, "footage provided by pond5".if someone wants to purchase that video to confirm, you can purchase it here:http://depositphotos.com/63621499/stock-video-violinist-girl-walking-through-a.htmli think that this was a royal mess up because i doubt they would put footage of a sister in a skimpy, revealing dress.doesn't the gb approve this?this will probably go down as another of the "subliminal images"...if there are thongs in paradise... might not be so bad after all!.

Pete Zahut

For example, there's cheese among what the dubs are eating in paradise. I thought there wasn't going to be animal products there?

For the sake of discussion...wasn't it the idea that there'd be no killing and eating of animals in the Paradise ? I don't recall anyone saying there'd no drinking of milk and making of cheese?

Also, wouldn't a dress that is thin enough to show the panties not be allowed in the JW paradise? Especially if those panties are thong-like (not granny panties)?

Weren't Adam and Eve naked in the Garden of Eden (AKA Paradise) and these naughty ideas we have today about the naked body caused by imperfection and sin? Wouldn't people who were perfect, be free of such hang-ups about seeing something as minor as the silhouette of a pair of underwear under a girls dress ? Weren't there some who speculated that we wouldn't even wear clothes in Paradise?

If the GB doesn't allow that for visiting Bethel, or probably for any occasion where the person is outside the home, the fact that it is on the "paradise" video is a major fail.

They have a certain dress code for visitors at Bethel just like some restaurants have for their customers. Just because they don't want people showing up at Bethel in say... their bathining suits, doesn't mean that the wearing of bathing suits is banned altogether.

if they bought stock video, then they should have made sure that the stock video did not contain elements they wouldn't approve of.

They are well known for being sticklers about modesty. How do you know they saw what you've pointed out and thought nothing of it ?

I am criticizing based on their own standards.

Or perhaps based on our bad experience with JW's, it is easy for us to take their standards to a level that they never intended just to support and justify our negative feelings about them. They deserve to be criticized at times but there's a point where it can get a bit nit picky which tends to devalue the more important and legitimate complaints.

This is the dumbest thread ever

True dat !

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Convention Videos: Someone messed up royally

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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when i first saw the video, i was like, "wait... is that her... panties showing through the dress"?and it seems like it is so.turns out that if you look at the middle right of the video, there are some letters.

it reads, "footage provided by pond5".if someone wants to purchase that video to confirm, you can purchase it here:http://depositphotos.com/63621499/stock-video-violinist-girl-walking-through-a.htmli think that this was a royal mess up because i doubt they would put footage of a sister in a skimpy, revealing dress.doesn't the gb approve this?this will probably go down as another of the "subliminal images"...if there are thongs in paradise... might not be so bad after all!.

Pete Zahut

"What's good for the goose is good for the gander'. The Governing Body(tm) needs to have their foolishness rubbed in their faces as much as possible.

"Yes...I agree, the Society is far too concerned about projecting their own image via it's members personal dress and grooming. Lets not be like them.

This girl was presumably not visiting Bethel, not on her way to the meeting or engaged in the ministry. She was walking by herself in a wheat field on what looked like a warm day wearing a light cotton dress. It is what it is....if we want to be critical, why not question why she's in a field playing the violin instead of "in the field " saving lives or wonder about the time she spent learning the violin instead of spending it in the ministry.? This business about it being a "major screw-up" because one can see a barely noticeable outline of her underwear seems kinda' silly.

-just sayin'

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Convention Videos: Someone messed up royally

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

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when i first saw the video, i was like, "wait... is that her... panties showing through the dress"?and it seems like it is so.turns out that if you look at the middle right of the video, there are some letters.

it reads, "footage provided by pond5".if someone wants to purchase that video to confirm, you can purchase it here:http://depositphotos.com/63621499/stock-video-violinist-girl-walking-through-a.htmli think that this was a royal mess up because i doubt they would put footage of a sister in a skimpy, revealing dress.doesn't the gb approve this?this will probably go down as another of the "subliminal images"...if there are thongs in paradise... might not be so bad after all!.

Pete Zahut

Pffft....big deal....a barely perceptible panty line...so what ? OMG her arms are bare and Gasp, did I see and ankle ??

In my opinion, it's the viewers problem if he or she chooses to scrutinize things so closely so as to see something improper about the way the girl is dressed.

If the GB would have declined to use the video because of ( VPL ) visible panty line, there would be those saying JW's are too uptight. When they go ahead and use it, some say have a double standard.

I think people can sometimes go overboard when it comes to being critical. (he said critically)

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JWs exist because...

by oldskool in

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one sentence answers only.. here's mine:.

jws exist because people want an escape from the modern world and are willing to give up intellectual freedom to get it..

Pete Zahut

JW's exist because a Charlatan who lived before the turn of the last century, discovered that power prestige and money could be had, by targeting vulnerable people and offering them a seemingly free program that highlighted and focused on their worst fears while simultaneously offering them a magical escape that employed convoluted and unprovable doctrine as evidence of it's being from a higher authority.

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Gorby wishes you a happy convention! (picture)

by Gorbatchov in

gorby has been offline from jwd for some weeks, and it made my situation not better, have had some serious problems with the fading, much pressure, i have nothing new to say, it must be very similar to the situation of many faders here.. so, i had so much pressure, that we have had to change our holiday booking so we are able to visit the convention, due to family reasons, you all know what i mean.. please wish me (and us) much luck for this summer.

it is not my best summer season in life.. this is how i feel:.

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Pete Zahut

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Who's getting the money donated for building and remodeling?

by oppostate in

look at these two photos from africa.. .

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who's getting the money donated for kh building and remodeling?.

Pete Zahut

I'll bet no one falls asleep at the meeting or has to stay after to vacuum the floor and clean the restrooms.

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How Long Does This Religion Have Left?

by pale.emperor in

the generation that will be no means pass away have passed away.. the 144,000 were sealed up in 1935, oh, no wait, we got that wrong, we still have some.. russel is the faithful and wise servant... oh, no he wasn't it was me, rutherford... no, actually, we got that wrong it's knorr... erm, no we mean the governing body.. shunning is pagan, true christians would never do that (1946)... oh, actually, we should do that too.. the revelation book has been re-written.. the un is the satan's visible organisation.. wtbs signs up for fellowship with the un in 1991.. exposed in the guardian newspaper so ends it's fellowship in 2001.. the greatest man book is now obsolete and replaced with another jesus book.. the mags are reduced in pages.. encouraged to use tablets instead of actual books to save paper (money).

halls being sold off.. congregations sharing halls.. society owned buildings being sold off.. video pertitioning for money only last year to fund a new building.. bethelites reduced.. missionaries sent back home.. young members leaving.. long time members discovering the history and leaving.. how long do you think this religion has left?

i cant see it being here in another 100 years.

Pete Zahut

Despite what they believe and what we were taught, the existence of Jehovah's Witnesses (evidently as we now see) has never actually depended upon their being the true religion, having Gods direction, the making of prophesies that come true or in the clarity of their teachings. This has become clear in view of the failed prophecies, obsolete literature and reversals of major teachings.

It's a case of "If you build it, they will come". I someone puts an idea or product our there and sticks with it, eventually they will find a taker. Detroit built some pretty ugly and unreliable cars back in the day but no matter what they built, throngs of people were convinced to pay a lot of money for them and spent years of their lives paying them off.

No matter what JW's do or say, they will always find a following among a certain cross section of the population who want or can be convinced to want what JW's have to offer. I don't think they will ever go away.